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Presidential Proclamation--Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month

Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:05 PM EDT
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By Tom W.-670850

Live Poll

Will you celebrate and attend Pride this year

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  • 103212
    Yes
    21%
  • 103213
    Maybe, depends on the weather, etc
    8%
  • 103214
    No
    53%
  • 103215
    There isn't one in my area.
    18%

VoteTotal Votes: 77

Pride STL 2009

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OK, I'm pretty sure that this is the first POTUS to do this, but please correct me if I am wrong. I recieved an e-mail from my Congressman today that linked me to this: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/presidential-proclamation-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender-pride-month I will quote a few things that stood out to me here. Sorry but I am a little emotional right now. I was truly shocked to read this and am proud that the person I voted for has the courage to do such a thing!

"They are our mothers and fathers, our sons and daughters, and our friends and neighbors." Those of you who have read my articles and comments know that this is a common mantra of mine and to see it used here touches my heart!

"Much work remains to fulfill our Nation's promise of equal justice under law for LGBT Americans. That is why we must give committed gay couples the same rights and responsibilities afforded to any married couple, and repeal the Defense of Marriage Act." I am glad to see this in writing as the subject was dnaced around in the past. The Prop 8 trial is concluding and it is great to see that we have an ally in this fight!

"let us remember that if one of us is unable to realize full equality, we all fall short of our founding principles. Our Nation draws its strength from our diversity, with each of us contributing to the greater whole." Pretty much speaks for itself!

"NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2010 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month. I call upon all Americans to observe this month by fighting prejudice and discrimination in their own lives and everywhere it exists." Thank you Mr. President! I am proud to have you as an ally and a President!

On another note our Mayor has issued his Proclamation as he does yearly. Not sure about the Governor yet.

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Tom W.-670850

I'll say it again, Happy Gay Pride 2010!

I got a little goose bumpy reading this and hope you will enjoy it as well!

CoH and please be respectful or you will be deleted/reported!

  • 12 votes
#1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:10 PM EDT
HeelsnHairMetal

Of course! I attended some festivities here in the District already. Im not a lesbian, but I did go down with my friends (some of which are) and we had a wonderful time.

Im glad to see Obama actually stand up and make this declaration instead of continuing to ignore this segment of the population as so many have done.

  • 16 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:09 PM EDT
tastethelink

this is definitely wonderful. though small, i see this as a definite step towards equality. hopefully it will provide a little information to the nation that, if a president who is dealing with all the problems in the world can take the time to accept people as who and what they are, people, then they can too.

  • 13 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:15 PM EDT
Peter Faden

I was at the one here in SLC recently. I noticed that i wasn't the only straight guy in the crowd either. To me, that really speaks to people recognizing humanity rather than sexuality. Was really a very festive occasion. Sadly, another day in which i forgot to bring my camera.

  • 16 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:22 PM EDT
CynicL1

I wish all of you well and am pleased to see the president recognise that all of our people are equal and that this will spur on the advance of rights for everyone regardless of their orientation. Well done Mr. President

  • 11 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:39 PM EDT
Tom W.-670850

Thanks Peter and CynicL1

We have a lot of people from all walks of life, straight gay etc that show up. It's really a great party! As for the camera I have learned to buy a disposable as my other camera is too expensive and you never know what the weather will be like, and if you lose it or it gets wet, no great loss!

As for pictures, here is a link to STL Pride pics: Enjoy!

http://pridesaintlouisphotos.shutterfly.com/pride2009/64

  • 8 votes
#1.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:55 PM EDT
Peter Faden

That's good advice regarding disposable cameras. I've checked out about 200 of the pics so far. Looks like everybody was having a great time! :)

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:00 PM EDT
CynicL1

Excelent plan on the camera Tom, and you are most welcome.

  • 7 votes
#1.7 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:02 PM EDT
Tom W.-670850

Yeah, when it is real hot they sometimes set up a big sprinkler too and it's easy to forget that you are carrying a 300$ camera. I have in the past when I was working carried it in a big Ziploc bag as well! Glad you like the pics!

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:05 PM EDT
Mr. Roger Rabbit

I am tall white smart straight and mildly overweight man. Did I mentioned I am proud of all of the above?

  • 5 votes
#1.9 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:08 PM EDT
Ben-1268009

I would not attend a gay pride event, just like I wouldn't attend a straight pride event.

Quite frankly, I just don't care what sexual orientation or preference(s) a person may have.

    #1.10 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:25 PM EDT
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    Tom!

    I love the article. This is great. And happy Pride Day to you my friend :)

    I wish I had seen this earlier. So, happy to see you posted this!

    If he is or if he isn't the first POTUS to do this at least it was said and done.

    Bravo, Obama.

    I'm going to go and take a look at the Pride Celebration here this weekend. I wish I was back home in SF and have a blast at that Pride Day

    Great pic!

    • 7 votes
    #1.11 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:29 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Girl, thanks for stopping by, I have a better pic with that guy standing right next to me, lol

    Hope you have a grand time as I will, God knows we all deserve it, heading out in a bit, my friend is in the shower now!

    Hugs and Kisses Baby, I love ya!

    • 6 votes
    #1.12 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    You're welcome, sweetie. Enjoy your evening. I'm heading to bed. Have an early day tomorrow which happens in less than 15 minutes!

    Can't wait to see that pic and others if you post.

    XOXO...I <3 U 2.

    • 6 votes
    #1.13 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:50 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Home safe, off 2 bed!

    • 5 votes
    #1.14 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:22 AM EDT
    R. Donald Snyder

    Long overdue!

    • 6 votes
    #1.15 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
    Mike-475880

    I also received a text from the Whitehouse on June 1st wishing me a happy pride month. I had to read it twice before it sunk in. I was so happy to know that the President even knew it was pride month. We've come a long way, but have many more steps to take.

    • 6 votes
    #1.16 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    LOL! Tom you party hound, you!

    I would have fallen flat on my face long before 5 am and you're still able to post!

    :)

    Glad you had a good time....:)

    • 3 votes
    #1.17 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:45 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    I know, I was good, I had to drive as my friend was on the road half the day!

    I just got up from a little nap! Will is so fun, and he's one of those people that you can see every year, or ten years and it's just like you talked yesterday!

    Take care, I think I've got an easy eve as he is probably going to visit some family this eve and spending the night.

    • 4 votes
    #1.18 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:11 PM EDT
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    :) Tom. Great. Glad you're having a blast and a relaxing evening.

    Huggles!

    • 3 votes
    #1.19 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:13 PM EDT
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    Tom W.-670850

    kjpxx, I wasn't joking about the deleting, take it somewhere else!

    • 8 votes
    Reply#3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:23 PM EDT
    kjpxxx

    I am sorry that you feel that way...everything I said was true.AND politely stated. Did not break COH,but if you are lacking in self worth maybe you internalized the remarks. Portland did have a 8000 person Naked cycle ride through downtown Portland, the next day was Gay Pride Festival....so what your problem is I do not know....I believe COH has to do with disrespect...no one disrespected you...I have a right as a legal citizen to not like Obama or do I have to have your approval to have an opinion? I am so you are so touchy....

    • 4 votes
    #3.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:50 PM EDT
    Rygar

    So then what is the point of your post? As it sounds there really isn't any.

    • 8 votes
    #3.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:53 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Well it's funny that you did not repeat everything in your original post, but as far as deleting it's up to me, I wil not restate your comments. You are perfectly welcome to hate our president as much as you want, please do it elsewhere as there are plenty of places to do so here on the vine.

    I am sorry that you feel the way you do, but you are of course entitled to your opinion.

    Nice try questioning my self worth, I question your worth more though!

    Have a great Pride and TTYL!

    I am not going to argue this with you, take the presidental hate somewhere else! or better yet write your own artcile and hate him all you want!

    • 12 votes
    #3.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:05 PM EDT
    kjpxxxExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

    You sound like a pathetic person who is looking for redemption. I hope your life becomes less hate filled...You sound so full of rage and that relates to the choices only you have made in life.....if you are worried about what I said in the first comment that you deleted...put it back up. If you are having problems with who and what you are and do.....do not take it out on others....I am not the only person who has commented on your apparent rage. I am so sorry that you feel the way you do,it must be hard living a life that causes you so much distress. I wish you the best and hopefully less hate and stress in your life......

    • 2 votes
    #3.4 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:11 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Nice breach of Coh kjpxxx!

    • 4 votes
    #3.5 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:04 PM EDT
    ptbuse

    Barrack has the best social views that any president has ever had. I hope he can be re-elected. With all the pressure on him from different hate groups, religious zealots, and just plain bigots, he has to have some very big testicles.

    • 3 votes
    #3.6 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:41 AM EDT
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    JmetheSad

    This is a wonderful step forward in the right direction by the president. Glad to see him acknowledging and continuing the fight for equality.

    For note, I voted no on the poll merely because I won't be attending any events. Although I realized I walked past one at the beach park this past Saturday. Good music and a pretty calm event, only knew it was a pride event because of the sign.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:39 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Thanks JtS, small steps but forward, gaily forward!

    • 9 votes
    #5.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:48 PM EDT
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    Hey Tom! Got your email :) Very nice!

    Btw, found this today. Thought you'd smile. When I read it I was like "Shock the Monkey" Who would have thought....St. Pete? Where I live now? Realllllyyyyy? Nah uh. No way. But, I'll go see for myself tomorrow ;)

    Where might you expect to find the largest Pride celebration in Florida? You may be surprised to learn that it's not in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, or even Orlando. Rather, Gay Pride St. Petersburg, known as "Pride in Paradise," throws the Sunshine State's biggest Pride event. What began with a modest tally of some 13,000 attendees in 2003 has blossomed into a major festival, now drawing in excess of 75,000 participants and spectators. St. Pete Pride takes place at the end of June (June 26, 2010) and draws folks from throughout the St. Petersburg, Tampa Bay, and St. Pete Beaches region.

    The major events of St. Pete Pride take place on Saturday, June 26. The action begins on Saturday morning with the St. Pete Pride Promenade at 10 am. This official St. Pete Pride parade runs through the city's hip Grand Central District, from 20th to 28th streets.

    Following the parade, the St. Pete Pride Street Festival takes place from 11 am until 4 pm. The festival, with nearly 300 vendors, food providers, and GLBT organizations, runs along Central Avenue between 21st and 28th streets.

    (All this takes place literally 10 mins from my house on Treasure Island. I cross the Causeway and I'm on Central Avenue)

    Additionally, numerous gay bars as well as gay-popular restaurants, hotels, and shops have special events and parties throughout Pride Week. Check local gay papers, such as Watermark for details. Also take a look at the excellent GLBT site produced by the city's official tourism organization, the St. Petersburg & Clearwater CVB.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/st-petersburg-mayor-to-attend-gay-pride-parade-to-get-sense-of-atmospherepp/1104477

    Huggles! Have a blast tomorrow!

    • 2 votes
    #5.2 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:34 PM EDT
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    yes I CAN

    Why not celebrate ...I mean you know gay pride celebrations are gonna be colorful unique and truly unforgettable and doesnt that at bare minimum beat say sitting home on newsvine and tracking Sarah Palin drama all day and commenting....Which is my point exactly ..America enrich yourself more and jump in ...Or just sit there and lay on the couch , channel surf and find some movie youve seen 4 times already and watch it and stagnate in life like standing water full of algae...

    • 5 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
    Rygar

    I will be going this weekend. Will be very interesting in many ways.

    • 9 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:17 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Rygar, glad you are going to be able to make it, there was some question as to if you could get there or not right?

    HAve fun!

    • 4 votes
    #7.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:06 PM EDT
    Rygar

    There were a few, but got through them. Ending up staying down in the Twin Cities from Fri evening to Mon morning.

    • 3 votes
    #7.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:49 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    I'm glad it worked out! Have fun buddy!

    • 3 votes
    #7.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:52 PM EDT
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    CrescentSun

    Unfortunately I've already missed my chance for Pride (Damn you school), but I am glad that Obama issued this proclamation.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:34 PM EDT
    Bootstraps

    Bisexuals can only pick two weeks.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#9 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 5:58 PM EDT
    JmetheSad

    Is it consecutive days only or two weeks in total days throughout the month?

    • 4 votes
    #9.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:01 PM EDT
    Bootstraps

    Two weeks total, all receive a 14 slot punch card to be punched each day of celebration. It's the law.

    • 3 votes
    #9.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:07 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Sorry, you must have missed the B in LGBT Boots, your there for the whole month, if you think otherwise, you are limiting yourself!

    • 7 votes
    #9.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:09 PM EDT
    JmetheSad

    Tom has laid down the law. Bootstraps, your law is squashed.

    On a more serious note, I wonder if it's more or less freeing being bisexual. Double the dating opportunities, but also double the rejection possibilities. Seems like bisexuals kind of get left out of the criticism, or do they just get lumped into the gay category and criticized just the same? BTW, I'm sure bis don't feel left out in this sense at all, just seems all the focus goes onto homosexuals, just wondering what the reality is.

    All serious questions, even if they sound dumb (I'm sorry if they are).

    • 4 votes
    #9.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:17 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    I have wondered some of the same things JtS, I never had any feelings toward women in that way so I have no answers for you, another spectrum that I do not know to much about are the transgendered, but I am learning more. Drag Queens are not the T in transgendered as most are performers that are strcitly male in every day life. I do know a few people who have had some surgery but not all as it is expensive. Anyone of them that I have met are nice people who seem to have both feet on the ground, just born as the wrong sex.

    I will say that for whatever reason that Drag kings still freak me out a little, and I do not know why? These are lesbians who I have seen perform as men, but then they also try to be men in everyday life as well, dressin male and some even have fake stubble. I am guessing that my reaction is because I lump them with drag queens and they are not the same. It's relatively new here, at least to me where as drag seems to have been around forever. It's something that I am working to understand more, but I do not know anyone personally who does this so it is a bigger learning curve, questions that I would ask a friend who does drag aren't as easy to ask of a stranger!

    Not Dumb questions at all!

    • 5 votes
    #9.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
    Bryan-684618

    I never had any feelings toward women

    Really? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gay rights. I think it's despicable that any group of people don't have the same rights as any other group of people. But to be perfectly honest I have always seen it as kind of a preference. Maybe it's my own deep prejudice, maybe it's because boobs or so much fun :) but I've never been able to fully wrap my head around a gay guy that was totally not attracted to women.

    So you hit puberty and it was easy...just men?

    • 6 votes
    #9.6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:16 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Yes, it was not a choice at all, no feelings except for guys, Boobs are fun for you, enjoy, you can have my portion! :~)

    And guy boobs, well I am hoping they are a long way off for me, lol!

    • 8 votes
    #9.7 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:18 PM EDT
    JmetheSad

    Thanks Tom for answering best you could. =) Well, I've had my bi sexual tendencies, but never considered myself bi at all. I like to try things out, experiment, but like you Tom, it's all about the guys. ;)

    BUT I do agree with Bryan-684618 boobs are fun, mine or other girls'. =P

    It was kind of funny reading 'drag kings,' as I don't think I've ever heard them called that before, but makes sense. Sadly, they seemed over shadowed by the drag queens and that raises another question for me of what that is so. Why has the drag queen been so popularized and the drag king not. Is it the same rationale that lesbians are okay and gay men are not? Is it the female aspect that smooths it over?

    Another question: Lesbian is specifically a homosexual woman, what is the term for specifically homosexual man? I realize the community is the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Trans-gendered community, so would gay specifically be meaning homosexual men? As I understand it and have been using gay to refer to homosexuals in general, have I been using the term incorrectly? Or are the men just getting gipped (sp?) out of a separate title (said jokingly, of course)?

    • 6 votes
    #9.8 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:40 PM EDT
    Bryan-684618

    Awesome. Those were all the kind of thoughts I had but was holding back.

    Why is it more ok for women to be gay or bi-sexual than it is for men to be gay or by-sexual?

    Here is what I've always thought. It comes down to sexuality. #1 Ingredient for women to be sexy (as a social norm) is to be soft, gentle, delicate etc etc. #1 Ingredient for a man to be sexy (as a social norm) is to be tough, strong, hard etc etc. So straight men look at gay guys and they don't recognize their social norm. Straight women look at gay girls and they recognize their social norm. Because such a large percentage of the population has never and will never meet a gay person in their lifetime (or they will and just won't know it) all they have to base their social norm on is TV and Movies.

    • 6 votes
    #9.9 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:58 PM EDT
    tastethelink

    on the subject of why it's ok for women to be lesbian or bi, and why men like it so much, i think i can answer that very simply: 1+1=2. i say that as a man myself, although i have bi tendencies (it is hard to find a bi/gay man who is interested in an overweight man with a beard, unfortunately.)

    • 8 votes
    #9.10 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:01 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    JtS: Gay or Homosexual are fine with me, I've been called much worse!

    I do remeber way back when there was one performer who was female and performed as a male but then later had surgery to become a man, as far as I see from my experience at least that is not the goal of the Drag Kings that I am aware of. Another interesting point is that there are some gay men and some lesbians that dislike each other simply based on some prejudice that I am not aware of, if there is a reason it is not apparent to me. I will say that when I tended bar that lesbians were really bad tippers, but I ihate all bad tippers, not just lesbian bad tippers. I have more lesbian friends now then I used to have simply because I am active in the LGBT community here and its the old saw that once you meet and talk to someone, it's easier to understand and associate with them, goes for anyone.

    Bryan, as far as the manly men thing goes I am attracked to real men, not effiminate males or female impersonators and there are plenty of manly men in the gay community! What is interesting is the newly minted metrosexual, which IMHO was created by retailers who wanted to sell more creams, clothes, etc this has blurred the line a little and I do know people who have made the assumption that a man was gay due to his hair, clothes etc and were wrong, you see good taste in clothes isn't just for gay men anymore (and most of the gay men I know, me included are either too old to care or just do not have any fashion sense!

    Taste: I have long wondered as this double standard, men who HATE gay men but enjoy nothing more then watching a little girl on girl action. I think if everyone were honest with themselves then from what I understand and the Kinsey scale suggests, that a lot of men have deep inside them, some attraction, or had it at one time, towards another male, and are so freaked out that they have blocked it out. Maybe it is a way to see homosexual activity and have it be OK? Just a theory or opinion based on what I have seen in my life. There are also plenty of people who are now falling out of the closet, or "Family Values" politicians and preachers that have riled against homosexuality, only to later be found in bed with a guy! I put that down to society pressure to be "normal" whatever that mey be!

    Pheew, sorry I got distracted by a troll problem so I thought I would just do a one response fits all! Thank you all for raising and discussing these issues in a polite and interested manner!

    • 7 votes
    #9.11 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:28 PM EDT
    katrix

    A lot of straight guys are afraid of gays. Just look at how most of the threesomes are two girls and a guy. If a girl suggests that two guys and a girl makes more sense - which it really does, because girls can come many more times than guys - the guys are all like "ewww, his balls will touch mine and I'll be gay, or people will think I'm gay." Part of it may be that straight girls can recognize the beauty of a female body even if we aren't bi or gay, where straight guys might feel competitive - i.e. "my pecs are better" or "dammit his are better" but would never outright admit another guy had a hot body.

    • 5 votes
    #9.12 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:59 PM EDT
    CynicL1

    I used to be, when I was a naive 20 year old guy from suburban Detroit who moved to Miami in 1970. Having a lady friend who had a plethora of gay friends who were funny, fun, kind and opened my eyes and changed that. We are all brothers and sisters, straight, gay, what have you. It is long past time the US grew up and recognised that and ended discrimination for all.

    • 7 votes
    #9.13 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:07 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Yep, that is why at least to me the best thing I can do to forward the LGBT rights is to be open an honest about who I am. It is amazing how a little personal experience with the so called hated group can really open your eyes!

    I know that I was linked to a site that was called good as you (G A Y) the site was good but I like the acronym, it really says it all!

    • 4 votes
    #9.14 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:22 PM EDT
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    Bryan-684618

    I wouldn't get too excited. Yea, it's a nice decision but I'm still waiting for the repeal of DADT and constitutionally protected gay marriage.

    Don't start staring at the window.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#10 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:18 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    I am excited because again as far as I know this is the 1st President to do this. Putting these things in writing is a big deal, now if he doesn't follow through we have something to hold up and ask, what happened??

    I am not counting any chickens yet, merely giving kudos for a man who was the first to use his office to issue a Proclamation!

    • 7 votes
    #10.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:47 PM EDT
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    mardigan

    Well done, Mr. President!!! THIS is exactly what we need you focusing on at this point in time!!! :P

    • 8 votes
    Reply#11 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:21 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Please take your presidential attacks elsewhere, there are plenty of places on NV where you can take this and it won't be a problem, here it will be!

    • 7 votes
    #11.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:10 PM EDT
    mardigan

    Tom W.

    Just out of curiousity, why would it be a problem "here"? I was under the impression that Newsvine was a site where folks could go to debate the issues that affect all of us. Have you never raised a voice in opposition or dissent in someone else's seed?

    Whatever... Delete my post... Confirm your statement that opposing viewpoints are not welcome here...

    Your approval or disapproval of my words does not change the point of my post... There are more momentous and life-altering dilemmas facing our country that ALL AMERICANS should be concerned with at the moment, particular the president.

    The results of your own poll are heartening, however.

    • 2 votes
    #11.2 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:16 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Sorry but this isn't a seed about Obamas presedency as a whole, I didn't delete your post nor will I. You are entitled to your opinion, but I am not going to be derailed into discussing the presidents faults or good points here.

    The poll really doesn't mean a lot, in some places Pride has already taken place. Also if you would like to discuss polls, I would love to change the way it works, if you answer the poll, I believe you should have to explain your answer in a comment. So it's heartening to you that some people clicked no, voted and left, with no comment? To me it leaves more questions unanswered then answered, IMHO.

    If I felt as strongly as you seem to about the issues of the presidency and other problems., I would do an article on it!

    Oh and btw I am sure that the President can do more then one thing at a time, taking 5 minutes to do this and honor a part of the American society that has been discriminated against is probably not going to stop him from all the other things he is working on.

    • 6 votes
    #11.3 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT
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    American Way-1915252Deleted
    Tom W.-670850

    I am serious about the deleting, if you are of no value or simply trolling, you will be deleted!

    • 4 votes
    Reply#13 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:08 PM EDT
    tyler

    if you are of no value or simply trolling,

    That's a pretty accurate summary of American Way-1915252. Banned, rereg of the mentalist, recently Furry Lewis.

    • 10 votes
    #13.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:25 PM EDT
    Bryan-684618

    I'm relativily new to NewsVine.

    Banned, rereg of the mentalist, recently Furry Lewis

    Does this mean he Banned American Way who used to be The Mentalist and Furry Lewis?

    • 6 votes
    #13.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:39 PM EDT
    JmetheSad

    Bryan-684618

    Yes, you are correct in your understanding. rereg means reregistered and a banned individual cannot register again as they got banned for a reason, which means they can't come back, but some fail to understand that concept.

    • 6 votes
    #13.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:42 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Thanks, Tyler, I checked his page and it seemed he had only signed up today and was not making any useful comments anywhere.

    • 5 votes
    #13.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:43 PM EDT
    tyler

    I'm relativily new to NewsVine.

    Apologies. I forget how thorny the slang, much of it invented, can be. JmetheSad's summary is correct.

    • 6 votes
    #13.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:59 PM EDT
    Mike-475880

    EEWWWWW...I think at one point I was considering friending the mentalist.

    • 3 votes
    #13.6 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:02 PM EDT
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    mrsrachelm

    A whole month for a specific group of citizens and everyone applauds. (And for the record I have no problem with it.)

    But a single day of prayer a year for a group (those who practice any religion or belief system that incorporates prayer) and the "tolerant" go nuts in frothing at the mouth against it.

    The irony is amazing.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#14 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:26 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    I for one have no problem with a national prayer day!

    • 5 votes
    #14.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:45 PM EDT
    katrix

    The difference is that the government isn't supposed to be in the business of endorsing religion. It is supposed to be making sure that everyone has the same rights. Last time I looked, you weren't forbidden to marry at the justice of the peace because you were Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pastafarian, or whatever. And employers are forbidden to discriminate based on religion. I'm all for prayer, but that's between me and who/whatever I believe in, and has nothing to do with the government.

    • 9 votes
    #14.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:04 PM EDT
    gordy327

    But a single day of prayer a year for a group (those who practice any religion or belief system that incorporates prayer) and the "tolerant" go nuts in frothing at the mouth against it.

    Because a day of prayer is unconstitutional, as prayer is a religious activity which the government has no right to endorse.

    The difference is that the government isn't supposed to be in the business of endorsing religion.

    True! Hello Separation of church and state!

    • 10 votes
    #14.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:17 PM EDT
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    Bryan-684618

    and the "tolerant" go nuts in frothing at the mouth against it.

    I believe you are referring to the National Day of Prayer and the "tolerant" is the liberals?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#15 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:30 PM EDT
    mrsrachelm

    I am indeed speaking of the Day of Prayer.

    As for who the tolerant are: they are the ones who support the freedoms and values of everyone and everything, do not feel it is right or fair to suppress or oppress or in any way discriminate against people individually or via a specific group identity....up and until it has to do with religious expression in general and Christianity specifically even more so than other belief systems. This is not limited to or solely defined by one's political party.

    • 1 vote
    #15.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:39 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    mrsr: I think the word tolerant is thrown around a lot and people also label themselves as such even though they are not. Antoher thing to remember is that a lot of the arguements about religion have become a political football to be kicked around and used for personal gain for politicians or preachers.

    I think that it is important to note that these proclamations are just that, these politicians even the President, have not granted us Pride day or month or whatever, it is something that we started on our own. We decided not to just try to disappear into the wood work, because even then we were still being arrested, discriminated against and all the rest. No politicain said well lets give them this day or parade and maybe they will go away, this started as a protest against the horrible way we were being victimized by the police and local politicians and the fall out that came from being even associated with gay people or places. It used to be that they had private bars for gay men and the police would take bribes from the owners to be left alone (yes that is all we really wanted back then!) Politicians got a cut of the money and then when an election would roll around they would crack down on the bars and "get tough" on the gay people.

    My point I guess is this, I would go ahead and have a national prayer day, but it is up to an individual politician if they want to issue something supporting that or not, or show up or not! If you think that we are getting special treatment and this was given to us, it was not, we started this as a protest and over time it has instead become a celebration of who we are and the fact that we do not have to hide it anymore!

    Let me know, I pray every day, in my own way, but would love to participate in a larger showing of faith with a group!

    • 4 votes
    #15.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:45 PM EDT
    LizLiz

    I don't want this article getting derailed by the whole "christian suppression" scheme, when we are here to celebrate the first proclamation by a president.

    This was nice a article to read and a small step forward, now start repealing DADT!

    • 10 votes
    #15.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:54 PM EDT
    Tom W.-670850

    Thanks Liz Liz, Glad you enjoyed it, I really have to thank my congress person who sent me the e-mail with the link and I wonder how many even know that the POTUS did this? I certainly would have been blind to it without the e-mail. That is what I love about my rep, he takes his constituents concerns seriously and is proactive in alerting us to the info we might not see otherwise, the good and the bad! I am not mentioning him here as I do not want it to become a political debate and get his name involved w/o his permission, but I am getting ready to do an article on him when I get a chance, I have a friend coming in tonite so I have been cleaning and moderating all at once!

    Take care and have a great Pride!

    • 7 votes
    #15.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:02 PM EDT
    gordy327

    I would go ahead and have a national prayer day, but it is up to an individual politician if they want to issue something supporting that or not, or show up or not!

    The problem is, a National Day of Prayer is codefied into law, which makes it unconstitutional.

    • 3 votes
    #15.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:20 PM EDT
    DonnaJ

    yes, indeed - thank you, President Obama...and thank you, Tom, for sharing this on the vine!

    • 5 votes
    #15.6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:28 PM EDT
    LizLiz

    I really have to thank my congress person who sent me the e-mail with the link and I wonder how many even know that the POTUS did this?

    That was thoughtful of your congress person. I did not know about this until I read your article. Nice work Tom.

    • 6 votes
    #15.7 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:34 PM EDT
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    Fufu

    Wow, I'm impressed. Well played, President Obama.

    One more crack in the armor that protects one of the last remaining forms of systematic discrimination in the United States.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#16 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
    Dr FellDeleted
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    yes I CAN

    Wouldnt it be rich if Barack Obama dressed in drag with say a little blue eye shadow and marched ....Oh now that would be RICH....Oh and I think actions speak louder than words

      Reply#17 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:21 PM EDT
      Tom W.-670850

      Well I wouldn't hold your breath, I think there are a few things he has to do and would be heavily critisized, I mean he can't even go play golf for christs sake! Actions do speak louder then words, but this is the 1st POTUS to even issue the proclamation, much less put in writing the things he did! A friend said that Hilary is going to be in some parade but didn't know where at. So he has a representative there! It would be great to have Hilary done up by a Drag queen, hell we could take 10 years off her with the wave off a wand!

      • 5 votes
      #17.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:27 PM EDT
      LizLiz

      Wouldnt it be rich if Barack Obama dressed in drag with say a little blue eye shadow and marched ....Oh now that would be RICH....Oh and I think actions speak louder than words

      Why would he do that, and what would those actions be saying?

      • 5 votes
      #17.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:30 PM EDT
      yes I CAN

      Show his feminine side

        #17.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:34 PM EDT
        gordy327

        Show his feminine side

        Metrosexual maybe?

        • 1 vote
        #17.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
        katrix

        My congressperson is Byrd. I doubt if he knows what day it is, much less what POTUS did today.

        • 4 votes
        #17.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
        Tom W.-670850

        That's a shame, I actually met my rep at a social event I worked and I did a bit of work for his campaign, he is great and to me this is just one more example of his greatness! His family has been in politics here for a while and they are all very nice people!

        It is really interesting in this day and age of the internet, I know that my reps/congree etc all have websites and you can post a comment, some even have a drop down about what you are talking/asking/complaining about. Once you have done this, even if it's just to gove them an atta boy the ones here generally keep in touch with you (well yeah it's the staff duh) and things like this happen, and I truly believe thatmost things happen for a reason, what the reason may be, I do not know~!

        • 3 votes
        #17.6 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:44 PM EDT
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        yes I CANExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        Like Oprah the world knows Hillary is a switch hitter .. I have to say isnt Oprah finding that closet shes been in for years getting a bit oppressive ....Is there anyone out there that hasnt yet figured out her and Gayle are more than friends ? So come on Oprah get a backbone and COME OUT OF THE CLOSET already ......For heavens sake already

          Reply#18 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:33 PM EDT
          Tom W.-670850

          OK bud, settle down, kinda rude to speculate on a persons sexuality, 1st and last warning!

          • 6 votes
          #18.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 9:47 PM EDT
          yes I CAN

          settled down....thanks

          • 3 votes
          #18.2 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:42 AM EDT
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          noprtyaff5

          Is there a way to report this article as offensive? I clicked on the exclamation mark to report it but the selections do not fit.

            Reply#19 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:22 PM EDT
            Peter Faden

            Are you serious? Move along it if it offends you.

            • 9 votes
            #19.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:28 PM EDT
            TheJonesGirl

            How is it offensive?

            • 5 votes
            #19.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:32 PM EDT
            Tom W.-670850

            noparty, check the Coh and it will let you know anything you neded to know about reorting, or use the help button. Oh and good luck!

            • 7 votes
            #19.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
            Dr FellDeleted
            katrix

            Nothing in the CoH says you can't write or post an article just because it offends someone. I doubt if too many articles would stay up if that were the case, since almost everything offends somebody out there.

            • 6 votes
            #19.5 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:20 PM EDT
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            TheJonesGirl

            Good job, Mr. President.

            Looking forward to San Francisco Pride this weekend!

            • 4 votes
            Reply#20 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:33 PM EDT
            Tom W.-670850

            TGJ: My best friend (read sister!) is actually about an hour away, he lives in Ft Lauderdale now, but was in San Fran for a wedding and flew back to Chicago to osee some family, we are going out in a bit!

            Glad to see you, Enjoy SF Pride, it's on MY list of stuff I want to do one day, btw, how long does the p[arade last out there???

            • 4 votes
            #20.1 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:36 PM EDT
            TheJonesGirl

            About 2 hours, but there's a post-party in the Civic Center and the Castro. I was hoping there would be a verdict in the Prop 8 trial this week (a college friend, Paul, is one of the plantiffs) but no dice so far, Tom.

            • 3 votes
            #20.2 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:40 PM EDT
            Tom W.-670850

            Yeah, GGMS and I were joking about a possible Stomewall 2.0 with the Prop 8 thing, ours lasts about that, and then we all go to the park where it ends up at at and there is food, a stage and beer. Several local bars runna trolly to and from there establishment and to the park all day long, it's great if you have had a drink and don't want to drive. I am about a mile away, and my cousin is closer so we have an A/C haven!

            Take care and let me know, or post something about Prop 8 decision!

            • 4 votes
            #20.3 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 10:48 PM EDT
            GoldenGateMami_Susi

            Sigh. The Castro. Pride Day in SF.

            TJG enjoy it for me!

            And I was hoping to see a verdict as well. Crossing fingers!

            OMG I just remembered there was this awesome Thai restaurant on 17th right on the corner. I forgot the name. Dammit! Why that jumped into my mind....

            Tom I hope you have a blast!

            • 5 votes
            #20.4 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:33 PM EDT
            Tom W.-670850

            reminds me of that song, "Memories, all alone in the..." Well I'm no Susan Boyle so here:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Ayk9G7-sc

            • 4 votes
            #20.5 - Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:50 PM EDT
            landspirit

            Kudos to Obama. As usual he rises above and forges the path and so often it is a path blocked in the past by ignorance, politics and fear of that which is different. Congratulations on the month. It is at least a positive and firm step in the right direction. Many happy celebrations!!!

            • 5 votes
            #20.6 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
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            ytjdghdfDeleted
            Tom W.-670850

            Night John BOY!

            • 3 votes
            Reply#22 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:24 AM EDT
            ytjdghdfDeleted
            steven-791492

            Thanks for the seed, I had not heard this.

            Glad to see our President do it.

            • 5 votes
            Reply#24 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:09 AM EDT
            JohnRussellRestored

            We need a JoeSix Pack Pride month where regular guys who work hard to support and raise their families in the right way are cherished and honored. I'm getting teary eyed and emotional just thinking about a month dedicated to honoring the police and firemen, railroad workers and assembly line workers, the beer bellied guys who love to play with their kids and watch sports and coach little league and snow plow every house on the block. You know, the backbone of the nation types. When do they get their month?

              Reply#25 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:46 AM EDT
              Rygar

              Go for it, contact your senator and represenatives and try to get it pushed. Then for parades go and get the necessary permits and have a great time.

              Sitting there doing nothing but complaining about why it isn't there won't get it done.

              • 8 votes
              #25.1 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:58 AM EDT
              JohnRussellDeleted
              Rygar

              Why not?

              If you don't want to celebrate then don't, it is really just that easy. If you don't care, then it is just another month of the year.

              • 4 votes
              #25.3 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:11 PM EDT
              Peter Faden

              My thoughts are that gays are the only group in which there are still legalized prejudices against. Because of that, it seems necessary to make people aware of the fact that gays are also people and deserving of the same rights as everybody else. Once that happens, there would be no reason for a gay pride month, but for now, people need to understand that gays will be around just like blacks, whites, hispanics, females, christians, atheists, jews, etc...Unfortunately, it's basically come to a head, so to speak. If people did away with the hatred and animosity, things like this wouldn't even be a factor.

              • 8 votes
              #25.4 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:12 PM EDT
              Fufu

              The United States has a history of declaring special recognition for a week or a month for issues in the country that need special attention, especially to address discrimination or help the public gain a greater understanding of an issue that is typically not well understood.

              This is the principle behind Black History Month and many others. Of course, some are more controversial, which is why many are aware of some of the national months and not aware of the others. For example, President Reagan declared July as National Icecream Month.

              • 6 votes
              #25.5 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
              JohnRussell

              We need a LGBT Pride MONTH proclaimed by the President, but we cannot have a national DAY of prayer. ROFL. That is rich.

              And if sexual orientation comes at birth, what is there to be 'proud' about? Pride is for accomplishments, not happenstances.

              I have nothing against gays etc. , but let's cut back the pc in this country before we become even more divided than we already are.

              • 1 vote
              #25.6 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:23 PM EDT
              JohnRussell

              My thoughts are that gays are the only group in which there are still legalized prejudices against.

              I believe it is AGAINST the law to discriminate against someone based on their sexual orientation.

              Perhaps you are referring to marriage, which is defined as a union between a MAN and a WOMAN.

                #25.7 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT
                Tom W.-670850

                Pride is about standing up for our rights, that's what we are proud of. As I stated before, I ihave no problem with a national day of prayer. However, I can't do anything about it, please contact your congress person and proceed there.

                What part of this is pc? This is about including a segment of society that has been demonized by many groups, just because they do not even want to hear the word gay spoken, that is dividing, Pride is about inclusion! So it is correcting the errors that other administrations have been silent on thus giving a nod of approval to seperate us out of society and make different rules for us then everyone else!

                Pride is not having to hide in the closet! We have marched to end discrimination against us and we accomplished some of that, but we have a ways to go.

                As far as your lat comment on marriage, I guess you didn't read the proclamation where the POTUS talks about repealing DOMA. And it is only against the law to discriminate against people based on sexual orientation in some places, not all. If you have proof otherwise please provide it!

                P.S. I pray every day, so I would be happy to participate in the prayer day, let me know when it will be.

                • 3 votes
                #25.8 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:37 PM EDT
                JmetheSad

                Perhaps you are referring to marriage, which is defined as a union between a MAN and a WOMAN.

                This definition was established in 1996 to discriminate against a group of people. It's high time that the redefinition of marriage be ended and reverted back to the time before there was a law explicitly excluding homosexuals from the same rights as everyone else.

                • 4 votes
                #25.9 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 4:26 PM EDT
                Mike-475880

                JohnRussell said

                I'm getting teary eyed and emotional just thinking about a month dedicated to honoring the police and firemen, railroad workers and assembly line workers, the beer bellied guys who love to play with their kids and watch sports and coach little league and snow plow every house on the block.

                You do realise you are describing gay people too?

                • 5 votes
                #25.10 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:17 PM EDT
                tastethelink

                JohnRussell,

                And if sexual orientation comes at birth, what is there to be 'proud' about? Pride is for accomplishments, not happenstances.

                if american citizenship comes at birth, then what is there to be 'proud' about? pride is for accomplishments, not happenstances. so you must not be proud to be an american, where at least you know you're free. you must not forget the men (and women) who died, who gave that right to you. and you won't even stand up next to us to defend her still today. 'cause there's alot of doubt that you love this land, be-damned your U.S.A.

                one can be proud of the way they were born as a human, as much as one can be proud of what they accomplish in life (and frankly, being the only sperm out of a million or so that makes it to the egg is one damned righteous thing to be proud of!). you need to brush up on your definition of pride, sir. from dictionary.com:


                a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc.

                the state or feeling of being proud

                a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem

                pleasure or satisfaction taken in something done by or belonging to oneself or believed to reflect credit upon oneself: civic pride.

                • 5 votes
                #25.11 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 5:38 PM EDT
                steven-791492

                JohnRussell

                My thoughts are that gays are the only group in which there are still legalized prejudices against.

                I believe it is AGAINST the law to discriminate against someone based on their sexual orientation.

                Perhaps you are referring to marriage, which is defined as a union between a MAN and a WOMAN.

                Sorry your so wrong, John I can be fired or thrown out of my rented home just for being gay in Ohio .... two of the biggies that come to mind.

                • 3 votes
                #25.12 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 7:47 PM EDT
                Tom W.-670850

                If anyone bothered to see the link Fufu provided you will see that Pride month and (LGBT History month, in October?) are not National as others are listed.

                Just thought I'd point it out, and thanks Fufu, I didn't have time to look at the link before and never new that October was LGBT history month, you learn something all the time!

                • 3 votes
                #25.13 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:21 PM EDT
                Reply
                Tom W.-670850

                Thanks for the comments.

                • 5 votes
                Reply#26 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
                Tom W.-670850

                To everyone who has accused me of being hateful or disrespectful I can only say that I am not in charge of Straight Pride day, Or even Gay Pride day and although I would participate in a Day of Prayer, I'm not in charge of that either. So if yopu come here looking for me to answer your questions your wasting my time and yours. If you believe in something that strongly, please talk to your rep/congree person or write and article about it. I can't do anything to help you with those things.

                I posted this oly to be informative, I ghad no idea this had been done as I hadn't seen anything on the news. So I published this article merely to inform those who may want to know. I do not believe I said anywhere that I could help you with your issues or problems.

                I think a lot of the people who have commented about my attitude or tone, simply haven't known me or they would know this is me take it or leave it. But I am sorry if you are offended, again I can't help you!

                Respectfully, Tom

                • 6 votes
                Reply#27 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 6:15 PM EDT
                bkozDeleted
                fsdfewwDeleted
                Snapdragons

                Sexual agenda have no place in government. President Obama has stated his intention to repeal DOMA if he ever gets the chance, and that is one reason I will not be voting for him again. This type of emphasis on minority interest pandering sexual politics while over 15,000,000 Americans are jobless and many millions of others do not have enough work to pay their bills and feed their families should be embarrass our leaders, but apparently they could care less.

                  Reply#30 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:49 PM EDT
                  Fufu

                  You voted for him the first time, it seems. Did you really vote for a person that you honestly think is not capable of multitasking?

                  • 2 votes
                  #30.1 - Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:57 PM EDT
                  tastethelink

                  you're right. we shouldn't have given the blackies rights either, there was too much going on in the country at that time. pandering to racial politics is what that was. let them be persecuted and drink from different fountains, just like we should let the homos be persecuted and not allowed to marry or go to a bar without getting beaten by some drunk homophobic white boy. no, this president we voted for who has two wars, a failing economy, the issue of rights for people that are different from the norm, a union that's falling apart because no one can agree to disagree and just compromise, an oil spill, and a plethora of other problems, should be expected to fix everything within the first year. every president should. bush found the al-qaeda leaders and brought them to justice within the first week of their attack on the u.s., roosevelt brought the axis to justice within a month, and lincoln ended the civil war in just a couple hours.

                  • 2 votes
                  #30.2 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:12 AM EDT
                  JmetheSad

                  It's not sexual agenda, but equal rights. Of those jobless americans you speak of many are lucky enough to be married and still have medical coverage and some security due to their husband or wife still having a job. So how many of those jobless americans are homosexuals, but are not afforded the same benefits and securities? There are several huge problems going on in the US right now, as there always will be, and I, for one, am glad our president is able to address multiple issues concurrently.

                  • 5 votes
                  #30.3 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:51 AM EDT
                  Tom W.-670850

                  Repealing DOMA will be the first step in gay marriage. States should not have the right to impose laws to prevent the civil rights of anyone.

                  • 2 votes
                  #30.4 - Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:36 PM EDT
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                  Richard-1802146Deleted
                  Tim O.

                  Excellent news and post. Just saddened that it´s almost the end of June before I first hear about this. Dammit Tom W., you should have posted this weeks ago :)

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#32 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 7:01 AM EDT
                  Tom W.-670850

                  Tim I now know exactly the POTUS feels, no matter what I do it's the Wrong thing!:~)

                  I know you were being sarcastic! ;-)!

                  The people I have spoken to this about are also shocked to hjust be hearing this, like I said above, but for my fabualous congress person's office e-mailing me the link I would have been clueless! I am happy I found out in time for our celebration this weekend, and hoping the weather will be a bit milder then predicted!

                  Have a Happy Pride!

                  • 3 votes
                  #32.1 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 8:41 AM EDT
                  Tim O.

                  Cheers Tom, glad you can enjoy some festivities there, Germany doesn´t quite have June as their month. I think it´s around August or September in Munich.

                  • 2 votes
                  #32.2 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 9:36 AM EDT
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                  Snapdragons

                  tastethelink, I endeavor not to think in stereotypes.

                  Unlike race, ethnicity, physical appearance, etc.,...issues of sexual behavior are not scientifically established to be pre-determined by genetics. If you disagree, try reading up on the subject of epigenomics.

                  Consequently, I have no problem believing that sexual behavior is voluntary and not predetermined by biology or genetics. Efforts to equate the sexual majority's attitude towards minority sexual orientations with racial discrimination belittle the horrendous discrimination encountered by racial minorities during U. S. history my opinion.

                  Of course, as a member of the straight majority on this issue, I am perhaps unqualified to address the topic from the perspective of someone who feels discriminated against concerning sexual issues-- but frankly, I'm tired of constantly being bombarded in the media and in news headlines with complaints of alleged mistreatment by sexual minority groups who are actually quite well treated in the United States in my opinion compared with social norms in many other countries around the world.

                    Reply#33 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT
                    Dennis Kemmerer

                    Snapdragons wrote:

                    Of course, as a member of the straight majority on this issue, I am perhaps unqualified to address the topic from the perspective of someone who feels discriminated against concerning sexual issues--

                    They're not sexual issues; they're equality issues.

                    but frankly, I'm tired of constantly being bombarded in the media and in news headlines with complaints of alleged mistreatment by sexual minority groups who are actually quite well treated in the United States

                    You've apparently missed the entire discussion about marriage.

                    • 5 votes
                    #33.1 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 1:03 PM EDT
                    tastethelink

                    i'm straight as well, with the exception of a few crushes on boys i had in high school and college, but never anything physical. i believe it's a way you're born, not a choice, because of the amount of homosexuals i've known in my life. would someone CHOOSE to be part of a group that gets as much trouble as it does?

                    also, there's the part about other animals being homosexual as well, so unless they choose it for the fabulous fashion as well, i'd have to disagree.

                    • 4 votes
                    #33.2 - Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:56 PM EDT
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